Oh give me a clone, of my own flesh and bone, with the Y chromosome changed to X. And when I'm at home, with the clone of my own, we'll be thinking of nothing but sex. -- Isaac Asimov
I have seen that attributed to Randall Garrett pretty often, but I haven't got any definitive source handy. A quick google turned up this, but I don't know if it's accurate.
No. Setting aside the criterion under discussion, you, personally, either meet your own dating criteria or you do not.
If you do not meet the other criteria, then the identical persona also does not meet the other criteria, so you may not date him.
If you DO meet the other criteria, then so does he -- and therefore you meet HIS criteria. Hence, since you meet his criteria, HE meets his his criteria, which means that you may not date him.
Dating those who don't meet their own dating criteria isn't the same as dating those who don't meet your own dating criteria.
If a small thin plain smart woman wants to date a large thick stunning dense man, she does not meet her criteria, but can find people who do meet her criteria.
If the "person who said this quote" happened to be large, thick, stunning, dense, and male, he could date the small thin plain smart woman, as she does not meet her own dating criteria, which means she meets the "person who said this quote's" dating criteria, and he meets her criteria.
Now, the question is, "does 'do not meet their own dating criteria'" mean "within the set of their dating criteria, there exists at least one criterion which they do not meet", or does it mean, "within the set of their own dating criteria, there exists NO criterion which they meet."
If the former statement, the answer is obviously "yes". Assume, for instance, that you are a heterosexual male, and the potential person is a heterosexual female. You do not meet your own dating criteria, she does not meet her own dating criteria, therefore you both exhibit the quality of not meeting your own dating criteria, and therefore you meet each others' dating criteria.
If, however, the statement is that you may meet NONE of your own dating criteria, well, you DO meet the criteria of not dating anyone who meets your own criteria, and therefore, someone else who shares that trait would NOT date you, and vice versa.
It was really only in flux for about 3 minutes, just apparently the wrong 3. I was trying to clarify ambiguous language which I had framed with certain original assumptions built in, e.g. "dates only X" meant "will date any within X and no others", as an implicit IFF.
I really hadn't initially been as logically rigorous as possible, because I thought the informal statement would be sufficiently reminiscent of Russell's. Ah, well.
No. There's now way you could date that many people. You've not even met most of them. There's a problem here with the usage of the phrase 'I will date all'.
Scratching that portion of the phrase and stating 'I will date only those who do not meet their own dating criteria', then you should be fine. Most dating criteria include dating someone who is not oneself, because that is the notion of dating. So no one meets their own criteria.
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Date: 2007-10-23 07:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-23 08:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-23 08:07 pm (UTC)of my own flesh and bone,
with the Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm at home,
with the clone of my own,
we'll be thinking of nothing but sex.
-- Isaac Asimov
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Date: 2007-10-24 01:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-24 02:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-23 08:10 pm (UTC)If you do not meet the other criteria, then the identical persona also does not meet the other criteria, so you may not date him.
If you DO meet the other criteria, then so does he -- and therefore you meet HIS criteria. Hence, since you meet his criteria, HE meets his his criteria, which means that you may not date him.
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Date: 2007-10-23 09:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-24 12:39 am (UTC)Dating those who don't meet their own dating criteria isn't the same as dating those who don't meet your own dating criteria.
If a small thin plain smart woman wants to date a large thick stunning dense man, she does not meet her criteria, but can find people who do meet her criteria.
If the "person who said this quote" happened to be large, thick, stunning, dense, and male, he could date the small thin plain smart woman, as she does not meet her own dating criteria, which means she meets the "person who said this quote's" dating criteria, and he meets her criteria.
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Date: 2007-10-24 12:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-24 01:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-24 12:47 am (UTC)Now, the question is, "does 'do not meet their own dating criteria'" mean "within the set of their dating criteria, there exists at least one criterion which they do not meet", or does it mean, "within the set of their own dating criteria, there exists NO criterion which they meet."
If the former statement, the answer is obviously "yes". Assume, for instance, that you are a heterosexual male, and the potential person is a heterosexual female. You do not meet your own dating criteria, she does not meet her own dating criteria, therefore you both exhibit the quality of not meeting your own dating criteria, and therefore you meet each others' dating criteria.
If, however, the statement is that you may meet NONE of your own dating criteria, well, you DO meet the criteria of not dating anyone who meets your own criteria, and therefore, someone else who shares that trait would NOT date you, and vice versa.
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Date: 2007-10-24 04:33 am (UTC)I really hadn't initially been as logically rigorous as possible, because I thought the informal statement would be sufficiently reminiscent of Russell's. Ah, well.
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Date: 2007-10-24 11:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-24 01:42 pm (UTC)Scratching that portion of the phrase and stating 'I will date only those who do not meet their own dating criteria', then you should be fine. Most dating criteria include dating someone who is not oneself, because that is the notion of dating. So no one meets their own criteria.
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Date: 2007-10-24 01:57 pm (UTC)