[personal profile] learnedax
Lots of stuff on my mind, but the only thing that wants to be a post right now is some additional thoughts on RotK after last night's second viewing.

By and large my opinion is the same as after the first viewing. I noticed a few places where I thought it could have been tightened (do we have to cut to Gandalf's concerned face in slow motion quite so many times?) but by and large it's still a pretty solid film. So, that said, here are minor quibbles I found with it.

I was wrong, Merry and Pippin haven't really gotten better since the first film. What they got was a more impressive list of accomplishments. Unfortunately they grate on me almost every time they appear, and most of their great moments try to be cute, and thus just irritate me.

The Palantír (hey, PJ, it's not a Palántir!) is nice to see in there and all, but not only does the scene last too long, Aragorn of all people shouldn't act like he's being electrocuted by it. And since when does Legolas have Sauron-detecting powers?

The mûmakil are actually not as bad as I thought on first glance, although they still remind of AT-ATs, somehow. They're too large, but for film I can see why.

What is Gandalf talking about with dying and going to the white shores and green meadows? Is he saying everyone gets to go to the undying lands? Is he just lying to make Pippin feel better? Huh? And "death is a path we all must take" only if we exclude elves. And wizards, for that matter.

Middle-earth seems far too small. Minas Morgul can be easily seen from Minas Tirith, Mordor seems to take about 2 hours to cross, and Faramir seemingly rides out to Osgiliath before Denethor even finishes his dinner. At the same time, it takes about 12 signal fires to light the way from Rohan to Gondor, when it's only a three-day ride. Dramatic, but silly.

Oh, and as [livejournal.com profile] tpau pointed out where did Frodo get his clothes back from, since they change out of Orc gear halfway up Mount Doom? Maybe this is explained in the extended edition. Maybe not.

Date: 2003-12-21 09:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tpau
whta i want to know is, why does eating a tomatoe (the whole new world food being aside and all) make Denathor bleed? is it jsut too acidic for him or what?

also, i really liek Legolas. really i do, he is wicked cool. BUT. He jsut shoudl not have that moment of contemplative smirk, while looking at what ammounts to be a hobbit orgy on a bed. Gimli and Aragorn shoudl not hav ethat look either. in fact, why are we having a short person's orgy in there at all? and why is gandalf lookign on like an evil pervy old man? oye.

Date: 2003-12-21 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doozer4200.livejournal.com
Yes, the hobbit orgy was indeed a bit much.

Pervy hobbit fancy-ers, the lot of them.

Assume you all have seen http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243/diaries/ ... if not, go read, funny as hell.

Date: 2003-12-21 09:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com
Good catch on the tomato. I have a copy of The Annotated Hobbit, which (among other things) details all the changes made between the first edition and the "I want this to match up better with LotR, now that I've written it" later one. Among them was the removal of all references to New World foods.

As to the "orgy" scene, I just kept thinking "Sam will kill *all* of them!

Date: 2003-12-22 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metahacker.livejournal.com
One of the comments from Peter Jackson on the Two Towers DVD was griping about fan grief over the inclusion of potatoes, corn, and tomatoes in the movie. Basically he says, "Look, it's not ANCIENT earth, it's MIDDLE earth. The presence of elves, dwarves, and magic doesn't bother you -- but oh, no, stick a tomato in there and you've got the entire fandom after you." He was aware of the issue, and justifies it there; I'm not defending it further.

Never mind things like Lembas being apparently made from corn meal.

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